When Teens of Divorce Play the "Other Parent" Card
Q. I have had permanent care,custody and control of my 15 yrs old son [for eleven years]. My son wants to live with his father now. If I give the father custody, will I be required to pay child support to him? Would we have to go through the court system to do this? Or can we make our own agreement?
What are my rights and how much control do I have over this situation?
A. Let me answer your last question first. You have total control over the situation as far as deciding whether to give in to your son’s wishes, and whether you want to trust the father with caring for a teenager with whom it appears he has not lived for over a decade. That’s your call.
As a father myself, I’ve been through the teen years already (and they’re coming around again, too, with my second son), so I’m sure part of your question is the result of whatever teenage angst your son may be dealing with. As you probably know, teenagers often say things and do things simply to get a reaction out of you, or just to be contrary. My oldest threatened to move out several times, usually in a heated moment, until we told him that he could do so, provided that he left all of the stuff in the house that wasn’t his -- things like the DVD player, the TV, the fully-stocked fridge, the mother who did his laundry. He stopped making that particular threat after that. But I digress.
I’m guessing that your divorce decree spells out the particulars of child support, visitation, medical coverage, and all of the various issues that go with raising a child. Those are always subject to modification upon a “change in circumstance.” It can be done by making an application to the court and asking the court to sort it out. It can also be done by agreement between the parties, and then memorialized in a court order. It can also be done without having to go to court at all. However, depending on the relationship you have with your ex, at the very least, you most likely want to memorialize whatever modification you make to the custody arrangement in writing, and have that agreement witnessed and notarized, just so everything is clear.
As for “giving the father custody,” it may not be necessary (or prudent) to do that. You can modify the custody arrangement to be “joint,” and make the father the residential parent (meaning that’s where your son would live). Depending on how close you live to your ex, you could share residential custody, three days at his house and four days at your house. (For schooling purposes, this would probably only work effectively if you both live in the same town.) These are just possibilities; there are dozens of other permutations to custody arrangements.
Child support is a separate issue. If you are receiving it now and your son moves in with his father, you will no longer be entitled to receive it. If he stays with you part-time, the payments would likely be reduced. Child support payments are usually affected by each parent’s income, and each state usually has a system for computing the amount of child support due from the non-residential parent to the other based on income, need, and various other factors. Of course, if you both agree to payments that are different from your state’s guidelines, you can incorporate them into an agreement and the courts will generally defer to your wishes.
Finally, as to the wisdom of this move in general, I don’t know your personal situation, and I don’t know what kind of relationship you have with your ex, or he has with your son, so I can’t begin to tell you whether this would be a good move for you, or your son. As I mentioned above, I suspect that your son’s comments are as much a part of the contrariness that goes with being a teenager as with any actual desire to move in with his father. I am aware of many instances when a teenager expresses a desire to move in with the other parent, only to find that the non-residential parent doesn’t really want the child moving in with him or her. You may wish to spare your son this unique type of humiliation by discussing the matter with the father (if your relationship with him permits such discussions) so that he’s aware of the desire, and you’re both on the same page when you discuss it with your son.
As a final note, your son is 15. In less than three years, he’ll be able to do what he wants anyway. (In some states, he can already petition the court for a declaration of emancipation, if he wants to.) You can always use that carrot as a way to delay this particular decision, along the lines of, “You’re stuck with me until you’re 18. After that, you can do what you want.”
I know how hard it is dealing with a teen. I wish you well.
What are my rights and how much control do I have over this situation?
A. Let me answer your last question first. You have total control over the situation as far as deciding whether to give in to your son’s wishes, and whether you want to trust the father with caring for a teenager with whom it appears he has not lived for over a decade. That’s your call.
As a father myself, I’ve been through the teen years already (and they’re coming around again, too, with my second son), so I’m sure part of your question is the result of whatever teenage angst your son may be dealing with. As you probably know, teenagers often say things and do things simply to get a reaction out of you, or just to be contrary. My oldest threatened to move out several times, usually in a heated moment, until we told him that he could do so, provided that he left all of the stuff in the house that wasn’t his -- things like the DVD player, the TV, the fully-stocked fridge, the mother who did his laundry. He stopped making that particular threat after that. But I digress.
I’m guessing that your divorce decree spells out the particulars of child support, visitation, medical coverage, and all of the various issues that go with raising a child. Those are always subject to modification upon a “change in circumstance.” It can be done by making an application to the court and asking the court to sort it out. It can also be done by agreement between the parties, and then memorialized in a court order. It can also be done without having to go to court at all. However, depending on the relationship you have with your ex, at the very least, you most likely want to memorialize whatever modification you make to the custody arrangement in writing, and have that agreement witnessed and notarized, just so everything is clear.
As for “giving the father custody,” it may not be necessary (or prudent) to do that. You can modify the custody arrangement to be “joint,” and make the father the residential parent (meaning that’s where your son would live). Depending on how close you live to your ex, you could share residential custody, three days at his house and four days at your house. (For schooling purposes, this would probably only work effectively if you both live in the same town.) These are just possibilities; there are dozens of other permutations to custody arrangements.
Child support is a separate issue. If you are receiving it now and your son moves in with his father, you will no longer be entitled to receive it. If he stays with you part-time, the payments would likely be reduced. Child support payments are usually affected by each parent’s income, and each state usually has a system for computing the amount of child support due from the non-residential parent to the other based on income, need, and various other factors. Of course, if you both agree to payments that are different from your state’s guidelines, you can incorporate them into an agreement and the courts will generally defer to your wishes.
Finally, as to the wisdom of this move in general, I don’t know your personal situation, and I don’t know what kind of relationship you have with your ex, or he has with your son, so I can’t begin to tell you whether this would be a good move for you, or your son. As I mentioned above, I suspect that your son’s comments are as much a part of the contrariness that goes with being a teenager as with any actual desire to move in with his father. I am aware of many instances when a teenager expresses a desire to move in with the other parent, only to find that the non-residential parent doesn’t really want the child moving in with him or her. You may wish to spare your son this unique type of humiliation by discussing the matter with the father (if your relationship with him permits such discussions) so that he’s aware of the desire, and you’re both on the same page when you discuss it with your son.
As a final note, your son is 15. In less than three years, he’ll be able to do what he wants anyway. (In some states, he can already petition the court for a declaration of emancipation, if he wants to.) You can always use that carrot as a way to delay this particular decision, along the lines of, “You’re stuck with me until you’re 18. After that, you can do what you want.”
I know how hard it is dealing with a teen. I wish you well.
15 Comments:
HI, my parent where devoriced about 5 years ago, im 11 years old. And i have a borther thats 16. If we want to move to our dads house, how old would have to be?
By Anonymous, at 6:02 PM
Hi, Alex:
Well, as you know from the posting rules, I can't really give you legal advice. Plus, because every case is very different, I don't know what all of the facts are in your case. But here are a couple of ideas that might help.
If you are concerned about specific things with your mom, you and your brother should try to sit down and talk to her about them, if you can. Of course, that depends on what the things are that are concerning you -- maybe it's something you'd only be comfortable talking to you dad about. If you can't talk with your mom, maybe you can talk to your dad. You could try talking to him. But I were you, I would definitely try to talk to one of them, starting with your mom first, if I could.
I don't know what your living arrangements are, exactly, or why they are set up that way. That is why I can't give you very much more advice than this. But there are reasons why living arrangements are set up a specific way. Sometimes those reasons change. That's why you should start by talking with your parents about what is bothering you.
Good luck, and you can comment again if you want to.
David Kendall
By David Kendall, at 1:44 AM
Hello , my ex-husband and I have a daughter together. She is 16 going on 17 last month. she got in the wrong crowd this past spring we took her to counseling and decided her to spend more time at her dads.he lives an hour away and i am the residential parant. she has a car and has met someone in her dads company.we agreed to her seeing him so to keep her on the right track and the counselor agreed. the only thing now is her father is requesting me to send back his child support to him..i told him no i would give it to her and pay her cell bill and car insurance and give her the rest.a lawyer did advice me this. and told me to keep receipts.. she still wants to go to her present school in my town.. and can only do so if she lives with me.. my ex- cannot always be trusted..for I was told not to give him the money back and give it to her in Visa cards, etc. with a receipt..for I know he won't give it to her.. my now husband also purchased her a car... he won't sign any aggrements with me... and now he has employed our Daughter in his company he owns.. i am really not trusting him.. she only comes to visit me a couple times a week.so it kinda hurts alittle..but our relationship is alittle better we don't fight as much.. and with that being said..i know at 17 they can make there own decisions..in a court of law on who they want to live with... so now she will be driving back and forth to school and staying with him more.. and working for her dad as well... i was told to just not rock the boat and do exactly what I was instructed and keep giving her the child support and paying her bills and ride this out..for what if things didn't work out on that end for her... do you feel the same way to about this? i am trying to do whats best for her..
By Anonymous, at 5:40 PM
Hello again, i am the one who left you the last post. the one where are daughter is going to be 17 next month..sorry...i typed alittle to fast. just to clarify me and my new husband purchased a car for her.. and also her phone , which i pay her bill through her child support..when my ex-husband and i agrued over the child support. it going straight to her instead of him..i finally had suggested to him.. that if he wanted to we could go to court and just change residential custody to him and I would pay child support.. and we could do it legally... he didn't say anything at all for that ... i just told him it is not fair just to use me for my address. and that he should make sure she sees me and her family on this end like i have always done for him... i have always stood by the papers.. this is the first time i am not... so i give her half the child support now and use the other half to pay her phone and car insurance.. i have a feeling it is the new boyfriend she is seeing out there that has a more big impact on this.. and also they both work for her dads company..he owns his own company... she has always used the school against her dad for years because that what school she has always been going to and has only 2 years left there to attend.. he has always, always deceived me in some sort of way with her.. and i have been taken to court by him when she was very young...he did not win.. i had us both depositioned as to prove his lies.. so now with her being older i hope he is only doing the right thing for her and not him.. like i said i had offered him what i thought was fair... i would change residential custody and me pay.. if he didn't like the way things were going... i see now he isn't paying all the child support each month... but i never say anything i just keep the bank receipt and give our daughter the other half and pay her bills with the other half... i sure hope all will work out i love her so much and worked hard at years trying to teach her right...but she has become extremely willful and judgemental lately... one thing is ...she is trying to spend some time with her little brother on this end.. which pleases us all. please help me feel better about all this. sincerely, AJ
By Anonymous, at 6:26 PM
hi, how old do u have to b in the state ofGORGIA does a child have to be if they would like to live with the other parent?
By Anonymous, at 9:40 PM
I live with my mom for my younger years she abusive she hit me here and there. I am now 16 and she hits and insults me on a regular basis. I want to live with my dad cause I suffer too much in this house. But I know she will only make my dad look bad cause of their past I have forgiven my dad for the past and for the last several years he has been the best but my mom has me trapped I don't have the normal life of a teen I just get abused I want out fast ! Please help me
By Anonymous, at 9:52 PM
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By Unknown, at 6:09 AM
hi my name is bria. my parents got a divorce roughly 8 years ago. my father has custody of me, but i have decided to live with my mother. my father says it is okay and my mother says its a good idea. in the state of Pennslyvania, what has to happen for the custody to be switched to my mother and how long does it usually take?
By Unknown, at 10:09 AM
hi my name is bria. my parents got a divorce roughly 8 years ago. my father has custody of me, but i have decided to live with my mother. my father says it is okay and my mother says its a good idea. in the state of Pennslyvania, what has to happen for the custody to be switched to my mother and how long does it usually take?
By Unknown, at 10:10 AM
Hi, Bria:
As you know from the "posting rules," I can't really give you legal advice. Plus, every case is very different, and I don't know all of the facts of your case, so there's no one answer I could give. But here are a couple of ideas that might help.
Usually, a divorce decree spells out who gets custody. That can be modified with the consent of both people. Hypothetically, both parents can simply agree to an amendment of the decree and submit an order to the court. (This would usually change things like child support payments.)
Also, once a child reaches a certain age (depending on the state), the child has a say in where he or she wants to live. A 10 year old would have less of a say than a 16 year old, for example. In addition, once a child reaches 18, the child is usually -- but not always -- free to decide where he or she wants to live.
If everyone is in agreement that a change in custody is appropriate, it shouldn't be difficult to make it happen. (It's always better to have it as part of the divorce decree, rather than a verbal arrangement because that way, the "rules" of the new arrangement can be spelled out and followed.
Hope this helps. Good luck, and you can comment again if you want to.
David Kendall
By David Kendall, at 11:33 AM
Full of information clearly mention in this blog that when your child changes his decision whether to stay with the other parent. If you have good relationship and understanding with your ex and both of you stay at the same town then you can even share residential custody, three days at my home & four days at your home can sort out the matter at home that where the child want to stay without going to court again.Alimony florida
By Unknown, at 3:06 AM
Hi,
My name is Cristi and I am turning 16 and have been wanting to move in with my dad and step mom.My parents got divorced when I was 2 years and my sister was 2 months. I have been wanting to live with my dad for a few years now. At first i thought it was a rebellious stage, but it's not. I have taken this into deep consideration and want to live with him. When I have mentioned it to my mom and step dad, that I live with, she keeps discouraging it; but I know what to expect when if I live him. My dad and step mom are really into the idea and my dad said he would support me in court if needed. The only thing is that my sister who is now 14 wants to live with him but only for a year and wants to visit my mom every other weekend. If I live with my dad I do not plan of visiting my mom and step dad or my two half brothers who are 7 and 5. I need to know if it is even possible and do both parents need to be present or agree??
By Anonymous, at 4:37 PM
Hi Cristi. Replying here because it’s where you left your comment. A lot of the information in your question depends on what state you’re living in, and what your parents have to say about it. (Because you’re technically a minor, they still have a say in where you live, how you live, where you go to school, things like that.) The easiest way to make a change in your living circumstances happen is to get both of your parents to agree. If they do, then the rest is easy.
What may complicate things, though, is if your parents don’t agree. Other factors also come into play, things like who’s paying child support to whom (if anyone is). For instance, if your dad is paying your mom to support you and your sister, he’ll want to cut those payments back if you start living with him. (That’s not something you really have a say in; it’s just something that your parents have to work out, which makes it difficult.)
The more difficult way to do things is if your father wants to change the divorce decree. (I’m assuming that it provides that you live with your mom, and visit with your father. That’s another complicating factor, and why this is only “general information” and not legal advice. Every state has different laws, and every divorce decree has different provisions. But, if your dad wants to ask the court to change the decree, he certainly can do it and, if he does, the court usually takes into consideration (among other things) what you want to do.
It may also be possible for you to ask the court to change the decree, but that can be very complicated as well, especially because you are still a minor. You would probably need help from a lawyer to make that happen.
I would suggest trying the easy way. Take to your parents and see if you can get everyone on the same page. In the nicest way possible, try to explain to your mother why you think it would be a good thing for you (and your sister if she really wants to make the move as well) and try to get her to agree. It might take a little persuasion on your part, but parents can be pretty understanding if you give them a chance.
Hope this helps. Check some of the other comments for additional information, and you can certainly comment again if you want to.
Good luck.
David Kendall
By David Kendall, at 8:35 PM
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By Unknown, at 3:09 PM
Im 16 and i want to move in with my father. My mom and i dont get along at all. And my dads gone through court servel times to prove shes unfit. She is! Sometime she doesnt let me eat dinner , one time she grounded me from drinking water and im not allowed to have milk. My mom wont let me move out to my dads and really want to live here. I cant take it and i know if i move out my mom loses money and she doesnt like that. My dad cant prove that because he doesnt live here and they wont let me into the court room. In the past my moms ex was violent and we went through a lot of domestice violence and whe n cops were called she always lied and i always told the truth and the cops never beileved me. Can i move out now to my dad with out going to court and my moms permisson?
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